“I think walks are overrated unless you can run. If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps, but the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time he’s clogging up the bases for somebody who can run.
“Who have been the champions the last seven, eight years? Have you ever heard the Yankees talk about on-base percentage and walks? Walks help. They do help. But you aren’t going to walk across the plate, you’re going to hit across the plate. That’s the school I come from.
“It’s like when I see kids in Little League and they make the small kids go up there and try to get a walk. That’s not any fun. Do you ever see the top 10 walking (rankings)? You see top 10 batting average. A lot of those top 10 do walk, but the name of the game is to hit.” – Dusty Baker.
WOW is all I can say to that!! Is he serious?? I nearly fell out of my chair reading that. First off, if walks clog the bases, then how come singles don’t?? How is Big Papi [David Ortiz] (a guy who can’t run) going to clog the bases if he’s on first base via walk, but not clog the bases if he’s on first via single? It makes no sense to me.
Dusty must be cut from the same cloth as Tim McCarver, who also believes a slow guy with a high OBP clogs the bases. In The Book, written by Tom M. Tango, Mitchel G. Litchman, and Andrew E. Dolphin, they discuss the art of base-clogging, using a slow player like Papi:
“Ortiz will be on first base 150 to 200 times in a season. Take a fast runner like [Coco] Crisp. Crisp will hit a single about 18% of the time, and probably 85% of those times, Ortiz will remain on 2B. Crisp will take a walk only 7% of the time. So, 22% (.18 * .85 + .07 = .22) of the time that Ortiz is on 1B, we’ll be in a Ortiz/2B, Crisp/1B situation. That’s 40 times where we’ve set ourselves up for possible base-clogging.
“The base-clogging will happen in situations where Crisp can go to 3B, but Ortiz isn’t going to try for home, so he’s staying on 3B. So, at the minimum, it has to be a single. A hitter will get a single 17% of the time, meaning 7 times we have the minimum requirements (.17 * 40). Of those 7 times, Ortiz will score 2-3 times and stay at 3B 4-5 times, meaning that the trailing runner will be stuck at 2B 2-3 times.
“Crisp would probably have made it to 3B, sans base-cloggers, 3-4 times. So, the base-clogging Ortiz would block the speedy Crisp one time per season.
So, yes, McCarver was right. It is possible for a slow runner to clog the bases for a faster runner. One base for the season; that’s the cost.”
This is a great analysis of it, and I would also like to point out that Manny Ramirez, another slow runner, usually bats behind Papi in the Red Sox lineup. Most team’s slow runners tend to be mashers hitting in the 3-4-5-6 spots in the lineup. The 7-8-9 hitters don’t tend to be that good at the plate, so clogging the bases for them is in some ways a moot point. Your leadoff hitter you want to be a speed burner who gets on base a lot, so he’s not going to be clogging the bases for your 2 hitter, who tends to be someone who puts the ball in play a lot and has some speed. So on top of the fact that this analysis shows that 1 base will be clogged a year, it is also unrealistic based on how the “ideal” lineup is constructed.
Furthermore, I want to know why if taking walks is so bad, then why is it also so bad when his pitchers give them up?? The Cubs pitching staff gave up a lot of walks in 2006, something that would get them pulled from games frequently. Why is it bad for a hitter to take a walk, yet at the same time, it’s bad for a pitcher to give up a walk?? Doesn’t make any sense to me. I would think that allowing a walk is good under this philosophy. NOT.
The last 7, 8 years, the Yankees, Diamondbacks, Angels, Marlins
, Red Sox, White Sox
, and Cardinals
have been the champions to answer the question. They won with good pitching, but they were also in the upper portion of teams in OBP and walks. And it turns out, I HAVE heard the Yankees talk about walks and OBP, and they tend to value OBP more than batting average. How do you score runs if people don’t get on base? The Yankees were 3rd in the league in walks in 2006, with 649, only 23 behind the archrival Boston Red Sox. Also, they were 1st in team OBP, at .363 in 2006.
Walks help?? They help a lot more than Dusty is letting on. They help immensely. They run up the pitch counts, they keep the defense on the field longer, and runners on base open up holes on the field for the batter, because the defense has to hold the runner, they help in more ways than having that guy on base. But that’s right. Dusty has no regard for pitch counts, either. You can’t walk across home?? Really?? If my memory serves me right, the 1999 NLCS ended on a base-loaded walk. Numerous times when I played baseball, I got walked with the bases loaded. When the Cubs swept the cross-town rival White Sox in the 2004 series at Wrigley, it ended on a bases-loaded walk. The rules clearly say you can walk across the plate. Does this guy take stupid pills or what?
Dusty obviously hasn’t coached Little League for a while. When I played, I was one of the smaller guys on the team. They didn’t make me go up and take a walk. They never did. I never hit for power, because I wasn’t a big guy, but I was never forced to go up and take a walk. I played for 3 years, and they told all the hitters not to swing at any bad pitches, don’t try to force anything, and if a pitcher gives you nothing to hit, just take the walk. And walking is fun. I would rather be on base than taking a left or right turn back to the dugout.
Turns out, I do see a top 10 walks rankings every year. What a coincidence that the leaders in average also tend to be leaders in walks. NOT!! Because of their discipline at the plate, they are among the leaders in average. They don’t swing at bad pitches, which allows them to keep at-bats going to the point where they can get a good pitch to hit, something else my Little League coaches always told me. On top of all this, he managed the all-time leader in walks, Barry Bonds, when he was in San Francisco. Steroids aside, Bonds must be doing something right. Dusty needs to get off the stupid pills.